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I will admit envying Thor his ability to slip the noose of every situation and leave all others at the gallows awaiting their fate while he remains without guile for the ease at which he moves through life, so often at the expense of others.

Though, I likewise admit to interest in what this place is, how it is kept between realms, how access is barred save for those who know how to pass between the borders. Have any of the other forced inhabitants here illumination to shed on the subject? Even theories would be acceptable, I do miss intelligent discourse, so hard to find in any realm.

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['So hard to find in any realm'. Rude.]

Your ability to charm rivals Fandral's, Loki.

[He would grudgingly admit-At times.]

My, is someone taking commentary on their intelligence so personally? You are the occasional exception.

[At times.]

Such compliments. [D r y as a desert.]

My, is someone taking commentary on their charm so personally? It was but an observation.

Not in the slightest. Such a compliment of the highest caliber to be compared to one of the famed warriors' three. And one who must visit the healers so often for itching of the nethers. Such comparisons please me well.

[Look at how humble he is.]

[She scrunches up her nose at that snide remark.

Like, okay she started it, but can we not. Talk about the D.]

[He will take your silence as surrender. He is Loki. He goes there.]

Pumpkin pleases you, yes? [Whiplash subject changes.]

[Does he have the rashes from 'going there' or did he use protection?

But wait, that subject change-] Pardon?

[He just went there with you. Are you saying you've given him a rash? Do you have a rash? Ugh. Sif. That's nasty. There are creams for that.]

Pumpkin biscuits. And perhaps green apple. Do keep up.

[HE WENT THERE WITH THE FANDRAL RASHES NOT WITH HER STOP MAKING ARGUMENTS IN ACTION COMMENTS LOKI, GOD.]

What I am keeping up with remains unclear.

[HE DOES WHAT HE WANTS, SIF.]

If you've still a taste for pumpkin. I am picking up a few things at market.

Aye, and...[let's try this, for clarity] you are - sharing them?

Yes. And I've not even poisoned them.

And why should you?

A jest, naught more.

You jest too easily.

You take offense too easily.

So say you.

You just did take offense and it was only a jest.

So say you.

[Five year olds.]

And is not what I said the thing that matters?

I will take whatever you have not poisoned.

Given the sheer amount of knowledge to even conceptualize the idea of creating a fixed position in the time space continuum with its own system for transdimensional access in a variety of multiverses, clearly it boils down to either science or magic. And since science is basically magic that hasn't been explained yet...

Well, I guess that doesn't really answer your question. I'm assuming that whomever controls the City has access to some pretty amazing technology and is probably doing whatever they can to prevent others from reaching their level.

[You said you wanted intelligent discourse, Silvertongue.]

Ah you say that so readily, science and magic, one in the same. I'll assume then, that you are mortal, yes? And yet science needs objects to aide in the generation of it, whereas magic, well, one manipulates the environment with little more than their own will. Creating a fixed point in time and space is hardly necessary, creating a pocket outside of time and space, that is something more what I would assign to this place. It can be done, I've seen it on a small scale, but on a scale so large... well.

Isn't it the nature of things that when one holds back the tide, it eventually crests and destroys what paltry means were keeping it at bay? Yes, that's a terrible extended metaphor.

[He does, feel free to engage.]

[Lydia cocks her head to the side. You are intriguing sir, and she wants to subscribe to your newsletter.]

My mortality is actually up for debate lately. But you're actually misconstruing the nature of science. Science isn't a thing that's generated, it's a process by which we discover the world around us. You say magic is the manipulation of energy via your will - well, science would be a means by which we would come to understand the process by which the invocation of your will results in the desired result. Science has its tools, but then I've seen a lot of cases in which so does magic. Spells, magic wands, invocations, that sort of thing, right? How is it any different from beakers, formulas, and the Large Hadron Collider?

I see your point though, about dimensional displacement. If there is a space that exists outside the flow of time and well, space, that would probably be less costly in terms of energy. But within the pocket that's created, time and space still have to flow forward and I can't imagine that isn't costly.

[You should. If he knew mortals could be half as interesting as they are in your realm, he might do less world taking over and a little more mischief making.]

Is that so? Then what manner of creature might you be? [Go ahead, tell uncle Loki. Look at what a kindly trickster god he is.]

That is quite the definition. I find I like it in spite of the natural inferiority of science when held against sorcery. I will admit they share some natural facts, that both are attempts to control an environment under particular circumstances, that such workings have laws and are repeatable.

Though... magic wand? [All his suspicion that you're putting him on.]

Ah, but that is the beauty if such a thing. Time does flow forward here, but the stolen objects need not be affected. Observe the environment, everything natural ages here, food spoils, grass grows, animals wither and die, but those things that are not innate, they remain the same. We, being of a separate timeline, are held in a sort of stasis, or perhaps-

That is contrary to the point. Consider how much energy is expended in bringing us here, yes, and then consider that they might not be generating the energy at all but using it to fuel our kidnapping. Most of us were brought here at times of heightened emotion- anger, sadness, joy, is this true of you? And there are clusters of us from the same worlds. Perhaps once breached the world is more easy to access.

A banshee. I have no idea what if any effect being one will have on my aging process or my longevity.

[She shrugs.] My point is, tools are tools, regardless of what you use them for.

Something has to push time forward inside our bubble, even if they're not expending energy to keep this place as a fixed point. Things were...calm, when I was taken, but there had recently been some serious crazy going on.

I'm Lydia, by the way.

A screamer, hm?

[He's feeling a bit crass.] Assuming one needs tools at all.

Well met, Lydia. I am Loki.

The Carousel, perhaps? It ticks down as a mortal clock, as a heartbeat. Or perhaps something as yet undiscovered by us mere prisoners here.

[She snickers a little at the screamer comment, but then,]

Like Loki, trickster and god of fire Loki?

The Carousel might very well be the tool, but I get the feeling few have gotten into its guts. Or those who have didn't understand it very well.

And God of Chaos among other titles, you have heard of me, then?

[He is impressed with your scope of knowledge.]

Then perhaps fresh eyes, more experienced than those before are what the situation requires.

Classic literature isn't something that most public school educations provide a great knowledge of, but Greco-Roman and Norse myth are usually taught in passing. Also, I like to read.

Are you talking about yours, or mine? Mine may be fresh, but I haven't been here very long.

Both, of course.

Sometimes when one is exposed to a problem for too long, they cannot look upon it anew, without any lingering theories or ideas from previous tries.

The Norse myths, hm? Throw around a bit of magic, tell a few stories and mortals shall believe anything.

The technology involved here is far beyond the level of what's available at home. At least that I'm made aware of. Who knows what the government actually has in its hands.

People believe in magic a lot less these days. Unless they've actually seen it in action. Most perceive what they don't understand to simply not have a scientific explanation yet, rather than pointing and going 'oooh, magic'.

Magic and science have similar roots, there are rules and there are ways to manipulate inside the rules once one understands what they are doing.

The government here is useless as far as I am concerned, they've hosted a revolution and done naught with the spoils of their victory.

Do you think once the nature of magic is understood, it falls under the purview of science?

What would you expect the government here to do, besides restore order?

I will admit that most of my knowledge of inter-realm theory is gained from one of my co-workers rambling excitedly whenever a scientific journal comes out with an article on it, but I've always thought it was a series of wards. After all, they're designed to keep things in and keep other things out.

This being the deities' home territory they would be able to make wards that others couldn't breach except under certain circumstances.

Ward? You believe mere wards could contain an one such as myself?

Yes. Wards. If by wards you mean a spell created as a barrier to keep one thing in or another thing out. The more powerful the caster the more powerful the ward, especially if done correctly A ward created by a five year old is certainly not going to be able to keep me out however one created by father likely would.

And who is yourself? Are you with the Aseir around here?

And yet the original casters have been thrown down, if this place were protected by mere wards.

You ask without offering your own name? How crass.

If they were the original casters. The anonymous group has hinted that the previous set of overlords worked for other people.

You said, "One such as yourself" but I don't know who yourself is, so how can I determine if that's something to be impressed by.

But if you'd like names, I'm Theodred, or Theo.

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