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poly_chromatic2013-11-21 08:14 pm
candothat) wrote in poly_chromatic2013-11-21 08:14 pm
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audio; backdated to the 20th
[The recording starts mid-conversation (caused, perhaps, by excited gesticulating). Chekov's voice is loud and clear; any number of other voices can be in the background, along with the occasional clink of glass on glass and the roar of laughter. The words of whoever he's talking to can't be made out.]
--method of teleportation that you are talking about does not lead to the destruction of the individual. I think that you misunderstand how the process works.
[A pause. More background noise.]
No, no no no. Our identity depends upon how the constituent molecules that we are made of are arranged, not upon which molecules have been arranged. There is no difference between one carbon atom and another, do you understand? And so if the position of everything that makes us up is copied perfectly and this information is transmitted and we are annihilated and reassembled, we will, in the end, be the same person as we were at the start.
[His conversational partner apparently has something to say to that.]
No one is killed. I cannot be more specific about the process, but I understand your concern about personal identity and the destruction of the individual being teleported.
[A much longer pause.]
Now you are making the assumption that there is something more than the physical arrangement of constituent particles that leads to this thing called the individual. Unless you are telling me that there is an immaterial soul to be concerned with, what is the concern? From the perspective of the individual being teleported, the process is nearly instantaneous and they experience no cessation of existence or consciousness. As I said, arrangement is what matters.
[Short pause.]
Of course duplication would be possible, that is why any technology capable of copying individuals down to the quantum level would necessitate a number of safety precautions. Responsible engineering can prevent paradoxes like the one you pose.
[Another long pause.]
No, I have not. What is the Ship of Theseus?
[OOC: Open to action at the Wolf's Den. Sorry for backdating, but yesterday's curse was perfect and I missed it and everything was sadness. That said, I don't think Chekov's probably the best of philosophers...]
--method of teleportation that you are talking about does not lead to the destruction of the individual. I think that you misunderstand how the process works.
[A pause. More background noise.]
No, no no no. Our identity depends upon how the constituent molecules that we are made of are arranged, not upon which molecules have been arranged. There is no difference between one carbon atom and another, do you understand? And so if the position of everything that makes us up is copied perfectly and this information is transmitted and we are annihilated and reassembled, we will, in the end, be the same person as we were at the start.
[His conversational partner apparently has something to say to that.]
No one is killed. I cannot be more specific about the process, but I understand your concern about personal identity and the destruction of the individual being teleported.
[A much longer pause.]
Now you are making the assumption that there is something more than the physical arrangement of constituent particles that leads to this thing called the individual. Unless you are telling me that there is an immaterial soul to be concerned with, what is the concern? From the perspective of the individual being teleported, the process is nearly instantaneous and they experience no cessation of existence or consciousness. As I said, arrangement is what matters.
[Short pause.]
Of course duplication would be possible, that is why any technology capable of copying individuals down to the quantum level would necessitate a number of safety precautions. Responsible engineering can prevent paradoxes like the one you pose.
[Another long pause.]
No, I have not. What is the Ship of Theseus?
[OOC: Open to action at the Wolf's Den. Sorry for backdating, but yesterday's curse was perfect and I missed it and everything was sadness. That said, I don't think Chekov's probably the best of philosophers...]
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Yes, very! You have a remarkably intelligent clientele.
[Generous, too, but Pavel does actually realize what their agenda typically is. He doesn't accept drinks and he knows that Isaak has his back, so it's all good.]
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[That might be accompanied by a quick wink over the lad's shoulder. He doesn't feel badly about interrupting, but it's good for business.]
You're in good spirits, I see.
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Oh, my spirits will not stay there. Already I'm in trouble for saying too much on the network accidentally.
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With your superior officers? I'm not so certain their jurisdiction ought to hold.
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Neither am I, but I am, technically speaking, the lowest-ranking member of Starfleet in this world and, in spite of my advanced knowledge of the City, my opinions have little weight.
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[He's generally on your side, Pasha.]
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I think that, if everyone else in the City were to tire of me, you would still not mind me.
[No one else is as unconditionally accepting.]
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[Not because Isaak would dislike him, but because pissing off everyone else seems like quite a lot of wasted effort.]
You've experience here they lack. To discount that is decidedly a mistake.
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[Pavel likes being liked. Pissing people off is almost always accidental.]
They have their reasons. I am young and a hundred years behind some of them. Perhaps I would discount myself if our positions were reversed.
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Perhaps, but I rather doubt it. You don't discount my opinion.
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Well, you are very wise and I think that your opinions are good ones to consider.
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As a matter of experience, I expect. Which is why I believe it's unwise to discount your experience with this place in favour of their experience elsewhere. An effective commander ought to recognise that; anything else is an exercise in fruitless egotism.
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[...]
Yes, okay, he is a little egoistic, and he is far more likely to listen to Commander Spock than to me, now especially. And the others from a century after our time do have greater knowledge of subspace quantum mechanics.
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[He says that smoothly in spite of having no idea what, actually, that exactly means.]
In City matters, however...
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[It means there's science that Chekov isn't the best at, which he does not approve of.]
Do you think that I would be taken more seriously if I were to be more assertive?
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